Hollnagel: There Can Be No Future Alternative to Safety-I and Safety-II
In “The Folly of Safety-III” (2025), Hollnagel calls Safety-III “a meaningless concept.” He argues that Safety-I and Safety-II were never meant as steps in a sequence, and he notes that he warned against inferring a Safety-III when he introduced them. In his view, Safety-II looks at everything that happens, whatever the outcome, so it already covers the concerns of Safety-I and leaves nothing for a third view to study.
He also argues that STAMP isn’t a systems approach, citing a list of assumptions he attributes to it. Leveson had previously presented that list as the assumptions that STAMP explicitly rejects and replaces.
Leveson: The Future Is a Systems Approach
Leveson argues that Safety-I, as Hollnagel describes it, doesn’t match how safety engineering has been practiced for at least 70 years, and that Safety-II concentrates almost entirely on the human operator. In her view, people can only be as flexible and resilient as the system around them lets them be, so the whole system has to be designed for safety from the start, including the tools operators need to handle events the design didn’t foresee. She uses the name Safety-III to contrast Hollnagel’s view with System Safety, a systems approach that she says has been used successfully in U.S. defense and aerospace programs for 70 years.
As evidence for a systems approach, she points to the U.S. Navy’s SUBSAFE program, created after the submarine USS Thresher was lost in 1963. She reports that before SUBSAFE, the United States lost a submarine in peacetime about every two to three years. In the 57 years after SUBSAFE began, not one submarine in the program was lost.